NASCAR and Electric Cars: A Response to Bill Nye

Bill Nye is getting a lot of press lately by suggesting NASCAR ought to be racing electric cars.  I was rather disappointed with the reaction from NASCAR fans, as many dismissed the suggestion offhand, or offered ad hominem attacks on Nye. Firing off Twitter insults only reinforces the stereotype of NASCAR fans as ignorant, anti-technology dinosaurs desperate to save a dying sport. I think Nye’s suggestion deserves more serious, more respectful consideration

The Problem with Science Missionaries

I’m sure Nye’s suggestion is well-intentioned, but it is terribly misguided and ill informed. It seems to be part of a general, very long standing trend of scientists approaching a community they’re not part of so they can proclaim what they’re doing wrong. I’m sure many think they are helping, but the science personalities who greet every new release with a barrage of complaints about how they get the science wrong only reinforce the idea that scientists are arrogant eggheads who think they’re better than everyone else.

There is a scad of research on what makes for effective science communication. While there is disagreement about which methods work best, telling people what they ought to be doing and thinking never appears on the ‘best practices’ list. Contrast the “gotcha” form of science communication (OMG! There are scientific errors in (insert movie)! And I found them! Because Science!) with the work done by someone like Jim Kakalios, who wrote The Physics of Superheroes. Jim is a lifelong comic book fiend. His love of the art form comes through in his writing and speaking. He uses the medium to share his knowledge and love of science with people who share his obsession with this particular world.

If I sound frustrated, it’s because I am. We’ve become a culture where we emphasize the critic over the creator. Instead of respecting the time and energy people put in to giving birth to new ideas, we praise the snarky quip and the acid-tongued take-apart. We prize delivery over content and dismiss complex issues with 140 characters of trying to prove how clever we are.

Assertion: Electric cars would lead to completely stopping burning fossil fuels

With each of these, I’ll show you the quote from Nye’s article and then address the content. His quotes are identified by the blue bars on the left.

To address climate change in the medium and long term, we have to stop, completely stop, burning fossil fuels. The obvious, straightforward, We’re-already-just-about-there answer is to convert our entire ground-transportation fleet – trains, trucks, buses and cars – to electric motors with batteries to store energy the way that gasoline tanks store energy in our fuel-burning vehicles

There’s just an awful lot swept under the rug here. The casual use of “We’re already just about there” is disingenuous. There are some major, major challenges to address before this is even possible.

Let’s start with the energy needed to produce the electricity that charges the batteries. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the 4,092 billion kilowatt-hours of electricity generated in 2014 were generated using the following sources of fuel.

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Coal and natural gas – two non-renewable resources – account for two-thirds of all electricity we generated in this country in 2014. So while electric cars may not be belching greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, the power plants that make the electricity the cars need to run still are. Until more of the country’s power comes from clean sources, electric vehicles are still part of the fossil fuel burning, carbon emissions problem.

This is a major problem in how people think about energy. When scientists who study this field look at the cost of a particular fuel, they look at everything. How much energy does it take to produce the fuel? How much energy does it take to transport the fuel? When you consider something like ethanol, you have to take into account that you’re often using  vehicles that run on gasoline to farm the corn needed for the ethanol. When we ignore all of these other factors, its easy to fool ourselves into thinking we’re solving a problem when we’re really not making much of an inroad.

Assertion: This could happen in the very near future

We could convert our transportation system to all-electric in less time than it took to go from horse-drawn to horseless carriage, 20 years maybe.

Okay, so later in the piece, he refines “we’re already just about there” to “20 years, maybe”, but offers no support for whether that’s a realistic amount of time of not. There are 253 million cars and trucks on U.S. roads according to a 2014 study by IHS automotive, an auto industry research firm. The average age of vehicles is 11.4 years. Even if everyone made their next vehicle purchase an electric vehicle (which is a pretty big if), it would still be a challenge to turnover every one of the 253 million cars in 20 year.

Vehicle Supply. According to figures from the U.S. Energy Information Association, In 2012 alternative-fuel vehicles (including hybrids, which still use gasoline) accounted for 4.72 million out of a total car stock of 128.66 million. That’s 3.6%. The vast majority of those are ethanol flex-fuel internal combustion engines (2.39 million), followed by non-plugin electric-gasoline hybrids (2.09 million). True electric vehicles come in at about 0.04 million (40,000).

But that’ll change in the future, right? According to EIA’s projections, in 2035, they project that alternative cars will rise from 4.72 million to 18.17 million. We’ve got to replace 253 million cars.  Even if something happened that severely changed public demand, the car companies would need the capital to undergo a wholesale transition of their factories from production the cars they make now to producing electric cars. This is an industry that, in the U.S., had to be bailed out not that long ago. The cost of electric vehicles is still prohibitive for many people.

Natural Resources Supply. There are also concerns about the amount of lithium and how quickly we’re using it given everything we use that relies on lithium-ion batteries.  The U.S. Geological Society said last year that the world has enough lithium for about 365 years of current global production of 37,000 tons per year. But if electric vehicle production shoots up,  lithium consumption shoots up. Lithium prices would increase with demand and electric cars (as well as anything else with a battery) could become more expensive.

Infrastructure to support electric vehicles in another issue. On your drive home or to the grocery store, count how many electric charging stations you see and how many gas stations. The infrastructure for an all-electric-fleet isn’t even close to being there.

Charging an electric car off normal 120V house current takes 11-20 hours. A Level 2 charger works faster (3-8 hours) because it uses 240V (like your washing machine). It can cost anywhere from $800 on up for the charging station, electrical work to install it and permits. Even though many states offer rebates (Maryland lets you earn up to $900 for installing a station), it’s a significant cost for an individual to switch to an all-electric car.

Assertion: It would be easy and quick for NASCAR to switch to electric cars

In the short term, NASCAR could help get us there. We could convert all of our racecars to electricity – right now – and show the public exactly what electrons can do.

Money. We are in an age of disappearing sponsors and rising costs that threaten the very existence of race teams. NASCAR has moved slowly with changes in part because they don’t want to drive the series into the ground. Developing a new (regular) engine is a multi-year process. A conversion to an electric race engine would take significantly longer. Manufacturers are getting much more picky about where they race because it’s a cost-benefit issue to them. Faced with a mandate to develop an electric race car from the ground up, how many manufacturers would just decide to find somewhere else to spend their marketing money.

Safety. Nye doesn’t even consider that there is a huge investment (money and time) that would have to be made in safety research. You’ve seen hoverboard fires on your evening news, right? Multiply that by a hundred or a thousand. It will take lots of research before the brain trust at NASCAR can determine how to safely put a huge pack of lithium-ion batteries in a car that mostly likely will, at some point, run into something while going very fast. You’re not just talking about normal highway use, you’re talking about pushing a vehicle to its limits. You can’t ask someone to get into a car without having done the work to prove it is as safe as you can make it. We have limited experience with electric vehicle fires. Safety personnel would need additional training and protective gear would need to be evaluated.

Assertion: Electric cars can race just as well as gasoline-powered cars

Nye points out that a stock Tesla Model S can accelerate faster than the Aston Martin DB10 James Bond drove in the last movie. (And I’m not clipping the whole paragraph because you really should read the whole article for yourself.) He notes that the Tesla produces 532 hp – but it’s stock and surely tinkering with it could produce something just as good as the current 850hp or so. (He ignores the cost and time to develop such an improved engine.)  He argues that the racing could be just as exciting and competitive with electric vehicles as it could with the current models.

It is true that electric cars can go just as fast and accelerate just as quickly as internal combustion engine cars. In fact, electric cars are potentially even better for racing in terms of coming out of the corners because they have a very different torque profile than internal combustion engines.

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This is from the Tesla website, but the general principle is the same for electric vs. internal combustion engines. In a traditional internal combustion car, the torque depends on the engine speed. Low speed means low torque. With an electric engine, it’s literally like turning on a switch. You get maximum torque even at the lowest RPM.

Ginetta-Zytek_MowlemI interviewed driver Johnny Mowlem in 2008 (2009?) when he was driving a hybrid electric/internal combustion engine in the old American Le Mans Series. (Apologies. I can’t tell from the helmet if that picture is Mowlem or his co-driver Stefan Johansson.)  Mowlem noted that the different torque curve means the driver has to drive very differently. He sounded like he enjoyed the challenge, but I suspect not all NASCAR drivers might not be as enthused.

The Porsche 919 Hybrid, which combines a 500hp gasoline-powered V4 engine with a hybrid electric drive system that gives 250hp. That car even has an extra turbine generator that extracts energy from the exhaust.

And if you want to argue that I’m still talking hybrids and not pure electric vehicles, you can look at the Formula E car. Formula E races all around the world on street circuits, mostly in major cities. Their season starts in four days. Their cars are pretty doggone nice looking, too.

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So Nye is right that there is no inherent reason electric cars can’t be just as fast and sexy as gasoline powered cars.

But there’s a difference between having a fast car and having good racing.

Instead of refuelling a gas tank, the electric racecar pit crew would change battery packs. The car would be designed to roll up a ramp. The battery pack would be disconnected and dropped out. Moments later, a fresh battery pack would be lifted into place, and off our electric racer would go with time in the pit comparable to what it takes to refuel and service a conventional gas-powered racecar.

Let’s look at the only electric car racing series that exists right now. Formula E runs 50-minute races. There is one mandatory pit stop, but they don’t re-charge the batteries.

THEY CHANGE CARS.

That’s right. The driver actually gets out of the car he or she started the race in and moves to another, fully-charged car.

They need two cars to run 50 minutes. The pit stop has a minimum time to ensure people don’t cut corners and compromise safety. So there’s really no pit strategy in terms of fuel. The teams aren’t allowed to change tires during the car change, but they can change tires during the green flag runs.

One the positive side, I guess Formula E doesn’t get complaints about fuel-mileage races.

Pit Stops with Batteries. I’m not sure Nye thought though the pit stop he envisions. The weight of the batteries in a Tesla Model S is 1200 lbs. If Nye has a way to change out that heavy a battery pack (and four tires) in thirteen seconds — safely — let’s hear it. You don’t move 1200 lbs in “moments”. I don’t see how such a change is possible without a mechanical hoist system — which would have to designed, tested and made foolproof enough to ensure the pit crew’s safety.

Assertion: Electric racing is quiet — and that’s good

Just think what an electric race would be like. It would be faster, and quiet. You could talk to the person next to you. The drivers could probably hear the roar of the crowd rather than having to imagine it as they do now.

I suspect this is one of the biggest things that stock car racing fans don’t like about the proposals for electric vehicle racing. Personally, I don’t go to races to chat. That’s what tailgating is for. When I go to the race, I am focused on watching it unfold, aided by my scanner, my additional screens and the radio call.

And I love the sound of a NASCAR racecar. There is something totally primal about feeling the sound waves in your bones.

Wanna hear a surprise? Electric cars aren’t necessarily quiet. One of the reasons electric vehicles have gotten more support in Europe is because a lot of racetracks are shutting down because the density of people is so great that there are prohibitive noise ordinances. They don’t have a lot of empty space like we have over here.

People who run racecar series know noise is a big part of racing, so I shouldn’t have been surprised to find that Formula E cars are not quiet. At high speed, the sound produced by one car is about 80 dB.

I’m not in love with the Formula E car sound (it sounds a little like wind noise to me), but it’s far from quiet!  I wonder if Mr. Nye’s heard this. A NASCAR racecar can be much louder (I’ve measured 110 dB), but we all wear earplugs to avoid hearing damage anyway, right? I’m willing to go 80 dB without earplugs rather than 110dB with. But I’d still miss the feel of the noise.

Assertion: Public perception is the biggest barrier to switching to electric cars

And most significant from my point of view, everyone in the crowd, every race fan, would want an electric car! The market for electric cars would go crazy.

This is the heart of Nye’s argument: People would want electric cars if NASCAR made them cool. He is right that public perception is one of the largest barriers to almost any new technology. People do not like change. People are afraid their electric car will run out of charge and they won’t be able to find a plug and they’ll be stranded. People think electric cars are stodgy and boring. I mean, who has a mid-life crisis and goes out and buys a Prius, right?

I’ve already noted that the market isn’t prepared to go crazy yet, but I’m afraid this statement just shows that Mr. Nye doesn’t know NASCAR fans very well. Look at the pushback going from a spoiler to a wing got. Look at the people who thought NASCAR went to heck when Toyota jumped on board.

People don’t like change. I know I said that, but it bears repeating. NASCAR struggles with attracting new fans while keeping the older ones. Going to electric vehicles wouldn’t energize the electric vehicle market: It would kill NASCAR. The die-hard fans would drop away in droves and new fans wouldn’t be sufficiently interested to compensate. Someone would realize there’s a market (My bet would be on Tony Stewart) and re-create stock car racing the way it was. NASCAR would be replaced by something else very similar to it.

I’m tellin’ ya, after you drive an electric car, you don’t want to drive anything else. They’re faster, quieter and cheaper to operate.

Some people would agree with this. A lot of people wouldn’t. You can’t extrapolate the reasons why you like a particular car to all people.

Assertion: NASCAR is the right place to introduce electric vehicle racing

I wish NASCAR were more about the future instead of the past. I wish NASCAR set up Grand Challenges to inspire companies and individuals to create novel automotive technologies in the way NASA does to create novel space technologies.

There’s no reason why NASCAR couldn’t be like that: a race with rules designed to reward the coolest, most advanced vehicle technologies.

I hope the development executives at NASCAR have approached Mr. Nye to ask if he’d like to become the title sponsor for such a challenge. The fact is that NASCAR isn’t a research and development racing series. NASCAR is not about the future. I don’t really think it ever has been about the future. NASCAR is a marketing series for manufacturers to showcase cars the manufacturers hope we will buy. Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday, right? It’s a place to make celebrities out of drivers and sometimes crew chiefs.

But you know what? There are racing series that are interested in going this direction. Even in this country. I mentioned Formula E (which is sponsored by FIA, the same people who bring you Formula 1). Yes, F1 racing is far less popular in the United States than NASCAR. So is sportscar racing, but sports cars are a far more promising market if you want to find the people who are likely to buy high performance, really cool electric vehicles.

In 2012, NASCAR’s Rolex Sports Car Series and the American Le Mans Series merged, debuting a new series (now the WeatherTech Sports Car Series) in 2014.  Their first event, the Rolex 24 at Daytona, happened last weekend and had one of the best endings I’ve seen in a long time, including two Corvettes nose-to-nose approaching the finish line. This series has domestic and international manufacturers and, while the series has a noticeably different tone, the same rabid racing fans you find at any track. These races have ‘car corrals‘ where a couple hundred Corvettes or Porsches will get together and camp, party and bond with each other.

We are talking pretty high-end cars — the types of cars that cost upward of $50K. Fans who are often less interested in the driver than the marque. These fans are the ones who are most likely to adopt new technologies. These are the people most likely to be able to afford electric cars.

And guess what? They’ve got a Grand Challenge just like Mr. Nye is looking for. It’s an award for the most environmentally clean, fast and efficient GT Le Mans car. You can check out the results for their last race at VIR. They score the cars using a well-to-wheels measure of the petroleum used and the greenhouse gas emissions, how fast the car goes, and how efficiently the car uses the energy. You can read more (and see video) about the idea. That material is from the ALMS series, but it gives you the general idea.

Just the Facts?

No. NASCAR is not the most cutting-edge racing series when it comes to technology. But at least give us credit for what there is!

They use ancient tech: carburetors, valve pushrods and cast-iron engines. But the biggest depressor for me is the fuel consumption. These cars get as little as 80 litres per 100 km, or 3 miles to the gallon (mpg). Sometimes they get away with up to 4.5 mpg. That is, to my way of thinking, astonishingly bad.

Yes, it took till 2012 to switch to fuel injection, but we did. Most of the engine blocks used in NASCAR are made of compacted graphitic iron (CGI), a very strong and lightweight alloy that allows blocks to be lighter.  NASCAR was using CGI long before they were being considered for production cars. And any crew chief who regularly gets only 3 mpg would lose his or her job pretty quickly. I already addressed the fact that NASCAR engines are more efficient than production car engines.

Addendum

A couple people have suggested that electric cars would attract younger people to NASCAR. The type of car doesn’t seem to be the issue. Remember when you waited for your 16th birthday so you could get your drivers’ license? Kids today are waiting longer and longer to get their licenses. I’ve heard this attributed to a lot of reasons – one of the surprising ones to this childless person was that Uber and its like are a great alternative for young people. No costly insurance, no bartering over who gets the car when, and no worrying about kids driving drunk.

Conclusion

It’s misleading to suggest that solving a major environmental problem is as easy as NASCAR moving to electric vehicles. The barriers to that change are significant. It is nowhere neaer “just-around-the-corner”. By neglecting the complex nature of the issue, you implicitly suggest that the only reason we aren’t solving these environment problems is because we don’t want to. It is much, much more complex than that. By all mean, changing people’s attitudes is a first and very critical step, but all an essay like this does is piss off NASCAR fans and lessen their opinion of science and scientists.

I return to my comment at the beginning. It’s much easier to criticize someone else than do something yourself.  If My. Nye is really serious about his belief that auto racing could make a major change in how people view electric vehicles, he should approach IMSA (which, remember, is partially owned by NASCAR) and offer to help publicize their efforts in Green Racing. Sports cars struggle for viewers and ratings. Celebrity involvement could provide a huge boost, and I suspect that Mr. Nye’s science-fan audience is much more likely to get into racing via sports cars rather than stock cars. A perfect quid pro quo that might actually start to make a difference in this very important problem.

15 thoughts on “NASCAR and Electric Cars: A Response to Bill Nye”

  1. I have a few comments:
    1) Aren’t electric power plants more efficient and less polluting than a car? And as more and more renewable energy comes online, won’t that reduce the impact? Plus if I have solar panels at my house that even reduces my carbon footprint if I use an electric car.
    2) A lot of technology doesn’t come about unless forced. I don’t remember a lot of race teams begging to use fuel injection or the new digital dash until forced by NASCAR. Why weren’t incandescent bulbs that could put out as much light as a 100W bulb but only use 70+ watts of electricity available until the government required them to be more efficient?
    3) You mentioned upfront costs for installing a speedy charger. But if I pay less per month on gas (depending on how much you drive) the payback could be pretty quick. Just like solar cells.
    4) Saying there should be no change because we need to keep the old fans means that NASCAR has an end of life. Can’t say that electric cars would attract new fans, but the current system is not creating that many new ones. Millennials are very environmentally conscious.
    6) All of that being said, I agree and understand that going electric could be done overnight. And it may not ever be appropriate for the top series. But NASCAR made a big point about using ethanol in their series. And a number of tracks are adding solar panels to show how green they are.

    1. Thanks for the thoughts. You’re right that as more and more renewable power sources are built, the overall carbon footprint decreases. My concern is really the idea people get:they don’t see the fossil fuel use and the emissions so they assume they’re green. You have to look all the way back. When I lived in Texas, you could pick your power source and choose renewable power plants (and they were more expensive). Not the case everywhere.

      As for millennials being more environmentally conscious, I’m not so sure. Computers have a huge impact on the environment. If you look at how much energy is needed to run a cloud storage system (and to cool those computers, because they produce a LOT of heat), it’s significant. Some of the elements used for making phones, batteries, etc. are in short supply and using them up without thinking in advance may put us in a jam in the future. Again, it can be misleading because you only see your device in front of you. If you don’t think about how the energy gets to the device, you’re not seeing the whole picture.

      I agree that change usually doesn’t happen without people being forced to change. I’ve got pretty big concerns about football players concussing themselves for our enjoyment. Should we make the NFL stop tackle football? I’d like to think (hope) that as we educate people, they’ll advocate for change. I’m told I’m way over optimistic in my faith in people, but the alternative is just too disheartening.
      Again, thanks for sharing your thoughts in such a logical, well structured way!

  2. Just doing some back of the envelope math here – the Formula E cars have power plants that push about 280hp max, but nowhere near enough battery to run that level for the whole(half) race, so they get it in ‘push to pass’ increments, and the rest of the time they’re running about 200hp. This gets them a max speed of a pretty wimpy 140mph, but they do have pretty snappy acceleration. I read that they use 200kg battery packs. That size is in the plausible range to swap out on a pit stop. Assuming things are linear, to push the 900hp that you need to run something comparable to a current gen stock car, you’d get somewhere between 6-7 minutes of green flag racing per pit stop, or about 12 laps of green flag racing. So the Texas races, at 333 laps, you’d need probably 40 sets of 200kg battery packs. I don’t believe there’s room to store an additional 8000kg of batteries for each racer.

    Now, could NASCAR run a feeder series on electric vehicles? Sure they could Maybe sprint cars at first, because they’re so much lighter, then work up to full sized stock cars after a few years. And they probably will, but I don’t see it as being anything more than a curiosity, because for me at least, the rumble and the smell of the cars at the green flag is a good part of the reason I go to the races in person, instead of watching at home. And it’s a fair part of the reason I haven’t been bothering to go to the Formula 1 races in Austin since the inaugural year – the current gen Formula 1 cars sound terrible.

    1. I think you’re right about an electric feeder series. Maybe you start with young ‘uns in go-karts and bring them (and the fans along) to make it a major series.

  3. I still wonder why the (electric and everyone else) auto manufacturers aren’t leaning more towards what I call “Locomotive Technology.” Think about the locomotive(s) pulling a train … electric motor(s) with power supplied by onboard diesel-powered generators. I know the Chevrolet Volt is a step in this direction. I like the idea of electric cars — but, I would also want to be able to drive from Atlanta to Daytona with only “necessary stops” and not having to layover several hours down around Eustis, Florida waiting on my car to re-charge! With my “locomotive” I just need to fill up with diesel … or gasoline … or kerosene … or whatever powers my generators!

    1. I think we’re going to spend a long time moving to hybrids before we even think about pure electric cars. One thing people have overlooked is that there is a lot of research being done in non-petroleum gasoline. For example, algae that produce biofuels (although there are challenges there in terms of amount, resources to grow the algae, etc.). Also, there’s a lot of research into how to capture/minimize/treat greenhouse gases from internal combustion engines.
      Manufacturers don’t help. When we bought our last car (a Ford Fusion), we got a 60-month 0% loan. They wouldn’t give the 0% interest rate on the hybrid version, only the ICE.
      Good to hear from you, Greg!

  4. Dr Diandra, thanks for your response.
    BTW, I did ask Dave last week to have you on, but he felt he knew enough about it.
    I also ask to have you and Bill Nye on to discuss his comments and get his side of the story.
    You have very good arguments to refute his comments.
    Would be interested to hear him explain himself.
    I believe he is a rational man and would understand your comments.
    While he may have been a bit far fetched, I don’t believe he should be summarily dismissed as some have.
    Enjoy your segments every time they are on.

    1. Thanks so much for listening. We were planning on doing the segment earlier, but Barney Hall’s memorial service was Friday so Dave was off and we delayed it to this week. Dave does a wonderful service in having me on and addressing issues that other hosts wouldn’t touch with a ten-foot torque wrench. It’s great that you find it worthwhile to listen. Thank you!

  5. As far as the electric car idea, why not take it a step further. Instead, let’s just go to a computer simulation race. I can see it now… 43 drivers sitting in an air conditioned room strapped into motion sensing seats and staring at 70″ screens. Drop the green, and away we go. No more nasty fossil fuel, no more dangerous pit roads, no more safety risks. Look at the money saved on rebuilding wrecked race cars alone. No need for a race clock… just some factored in rest room breaks. All that wasted race track real estate can be turned into housing for the homeless… yeah, that’s the ticket. I can feel the love already. Now… I concede there is the small problem of race spectators, but, what the heck, as long as we’re all going green and feeling good, that’s enough isn’t it? Who needs to make money doing this anyway… not like it’s a business or anything.
    Just my take… an old fan from the days of taped up steering wheels, chrome trim, and a car body that’s still a recognizable automobile brand. Yeah… I can see it now.

    ps, sarcasm for those of you too anal to figure that out.

    1. I’m not sure I’d go quite that far myself. I don’t think electric race cars are a bad idea. I just think it’s neither feasible nor appropriate to put that “responsibility” on NASCAR.

      Again, I mourn the fact that we’ve turned into a society where focus on blame and ‘gotchas’ rather than find and promote the positive. If you want electric racing, great. People are already doing this – go write an essay praising those efforts and encouraging people to support them. Throw your celebrity weight behind them.

      OK – off the soapbox now. Thank you all for reading and contributing your comments. Motorsports is a wide-open community withe room for everyone’s tastes and preferences. We don’t have to love every form of motorsports, but we’re not in competition, either.

  6. Maximum torque at 0 rpm. What else do you need to know?

    Electric cars will be the performance cars of the future. I get a chance to drive a Tesla about twice a year. The acceleration is mind numbing.

    The problem with Formula E is actually the FIA – not the cars. The FIA has no idea about dealing with the media in the United States. They are totally clueless.

    Racing is on it’s way to becoming horse racing or boxing. One or two big events a year and nothing of interest for the months in between.

    You can’t run an entertainment industry that caters to old people. Something has to happen.

    We might as well start thinking about electric cars, Gasoline powered racing is on a steady downhill slide.

  7. I am a scientist (Ph.D., UCLA), now involved in getting cancer research to the clinic. And I race cars (Spec Miata). 1. In general, the American public has very poor science education, if any; 2. What people don’t understand, they fear; 3. Americans fear science and consider scientists to be elitests.

    I personally don’t like Bill Nye, but I think he has a point, that we are stuck in a dead-end paradigm of endless fossil fuels and sustainable nuclear energy, a romanticized holdover from the good-old ’50s. I remember when the Prius came out, how it was derided by the auto publications, especially C&D. Look at the situation now, would you distain an opportunity to drive a 919? Didn’t think so.

    The big problem with electric cars, which Tesla is proving, is that the traditional manufactures are stuck with billions of dollars of sunk assets in ancient manufacturing technology that they can’t just write off, so they market trucks (I include SUVs and minivans here) and crap like the Charger like candy to the ignorant masses.

    I think the real advance will be not when NASCAR cars are electric, but when NASCAR fans go to the races in their hybrid or electric cars. That is what is called a paradigm shift, that is what Bill Nye and e-Formula fans understand, and (apologies) you and NASCAR fans don’t. Battery, wind, and solar technologies are advancing dramatically (until last Jan. 20th), it will take a lot of effort and sacrifice, but the alternatives are 15′ ocean level increases and food- and water shortages like what is happening now in Afric and the Middle East.

    1. Joe: Thanks for stopping in. Before I left academia, I worked in cancer research, too. (Magnetic nanoparticles for chemotherapy treatment.)

      You are dead on with your three points. Except I would amend #1 to include the fact that education in areas other than science isn’t all that much better. Sadly.

      I think Nye is on the right track when he suggests that paradigm shifts may very well have to come from popular culture and not from ‘on high’ (meaning the government or science). I’m not arguing a paradigm shift isn’t necessary – just that what Nye proposes in his article won’t work. Not that there isn’t a way to do it, just that his proposal is not practical.

      This is part of my bigger frustration with science popularizers who think their role is to tell everyone else what they’re doing wrong. Whether it’s scientists poking fun at movies, or assuming that they can talk knowledgeably about racing without studying it (because, after all, how hard is it?), all they do is alienate and piss off non-scientists and make my job — convincing people that they CAN understand science — much harder. It contributes big to your point number 3: that we are seen as elitist.

      It’s akin to a physicist coming in to a biologist’s lab and telling them all the things they’re doing wrong in their experiment. When I moved into nanomedicine from a traditional physics background (nanomagnetism), I spent time learning about field I was entering. I listened at a lot of meetings before I spoke. I learned the language. I went into it with an attitude of collaboration, not that I was going to tell everyone else how to fix things.

      Not that the car culture doesn’t have it’s own issues. Inertia is huge. I’d never thought I’d hear people complain that safety devices were making the sport less exciting, but it happens. But if a scientist is going to come up with a solution and tell people what they should do, at least invest a little time and learn about the culture before you preach at them.

      The smartest thing that could happen for electric cars with respect to NACSAR would be for Tesla to get Jeff Gordon or another retired driver as a spokesperson. (Current drivers have manufacturer affiliations that would preclude them from doing so.) I guarantee a ride around Road America in a Tesla would change any fan’s perception of electric cars faster than watching them on a racetrack. (I’m not sure a Prius would create quite the same ‘oomph’, sadly, as Toyota is already in NASCAR.)

      NASCAR could (and should) be part of a solution to the hole we’ve dug ourselves. Just not the way Nye suggested.

      Thanks again for stopping by and taking the time to comment!

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